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Post by madmin » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:21 pm

i was responding in the same manner that you responded to me. i grew up in canada, lived in europe for 15 years, last 12 years i traveled around the world due to my online income, often staying in certain areas for years at a time. i seek the truth and to improve the situation. your republic is full of corruption and there is plenty of room for improvement.

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Post by other » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:21 pm

And there is not elsewhere. If America is sooo bad why are people breaking our laws to get here. Worked on 6 continents with all kinds of people, I depend on no one to take care of me, I accept perssonal responsibility, I earned everything I have. And you and I will probably never agree. So if you hate this country the door opens both ways, and we will never accept your version of government so hosta la vista!

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Post by madmin » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:22 pm

i don't hate your country, i dislike what it is doing around the world. if anyone is trying to get in it is the poor countries, or those that are being bombed the crap out of by the US, sending them back to the dark ages. and to repeat, this Page is not about promoting socialism but freedom of vote. if you want to surrender to corrupt lawmakers, be my guest, but i believe people should have more say in decision making, that is all.

oh, and although my site is not about promoting socialism but rather promoting open dialogue so we can learn from one another and to have more say in overall decision making, i'd like to respond to your statement that your country will "never accept myversion of government". first of all, if it wasn't for the complete media blackout by the propaganda machine of the 1% or the blatant election rigging by the the dnc, bernie sanders would have probably won by a clear majority. then we can consider roosevelt, who pulled the US out of the great depression through massive public spending and followed rather socialist principles. or we can consider reagan's nonsensical trickle down theory. the only thing that might be trickled is peepee coming out of the rich man's weewee on workers building his house, the rest of his wealth he hides offshore or invests abroad for greater profits at the expense of american jobs. on the other hand, if you raise the minimum wage and give more to little joe, they will spend it all on themselves, like a new phone, tv, car and so forth, so all that goes back into the economy and helps industry. you are being spoonfed pro capitalist ideas because the rich man wants you to believe that. i'm not a complete socialist, running several online businesses, but i believe there is a balance and that the weak in society should be taken care of. but that is just my opinion, not what my site is about.

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Post by other » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:23 pm

Bob - Have you ever noticed that only true socialist countries are the ones who have to build walls to keep their people in as opposed to free enterprise countries ....should tell you something

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Post by madmin » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:23 pm

this is a typically ignorant perception of americans. it is true for the case of communist soviet union, but communism does not equate with socialism, nor does the soviet union exist anymore. the most socialist existing state i can think of at the moment is cuba and i do not believe their people cannot leave, where healthcare and education etc is free. canada and europe is quite socialist compared to the states and i can guarantee not many people there want to move to the states. neither was i ever advocating pure socialism, but only direct democracy where people can submit ideas and vote on them. the present form of "democracy" in the US is a complete sham.

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Post by other » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:23 pm

bullshit if it was so great why did people risk their lives in leaky boats to escape this wonderful socialist paradise ....and Venezuela's social paradise has uncontrolable inflation and a shortage of consumer goods with their main export which is oil in complete chaos ...Orwell's book 1984 was a warning it was never intended to be a recipe

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Post by madmin » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:24 pm

well i have to admit that i'm not well studied in the case of venezuela and cuba, in any case much of what i wrote above applies to what i believe or feel. i saw 1984 and although it more closely reflects soviet communism, i believe the effect can be the same or similar when the pendulum swings to the opposite extreme: fascism. there are different ways to control the population. i fear that the US is moving towards a fascist police state and i'd like to throw in my two cents to help avert ww3, because if anyone starts it, it will be the US, whose for-profit war machine would just love it. but really, this page is not trying to promote socialism but simply to put more voting power into the hands of the people as opposed to a small minority who can more easily be bribed and influenced by the war machine and 1% elite who own basically everything and who are obsessed for more power and controlling us.

and it's always humorous to me how advocates of capitalism will often cite extreme cases of socialism when pointing out its faults. in the case of venezuela and cuba, are they not under severe sanctions by the US? that might have something to do with it. above many times i mentioned Europe and Canada as successful examples of moderate socialism. i dont see people there gripped with envy that someone or other may be freeloading, but at least there are no people sleeping in the streets, healthcare is affordable or free, and education is substantially subsidised or free. those who want a better life simply work and the system is not crumbling because of envy and laziness.

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Post by other » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:24 pm

if you study history you will find that socialism is the forerunner of fascism ...Italy under Mussolini Germany under hitler Russia under Lenin etc etc ...that's why every time I see some leftist call a conservative a nazi I cringe and dismiss them as uneducated in history and reality ...but it does make a nice catch phrase to put your opponents down

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Post by madmin » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:24 pm

although i find this discussion interesting, it's not really what this Page was intended for. i wouldnt call every conservative a nazi because i consider myself somewhat a conservative, owning several online businesses and taking care of myself my entire life. in any case, what form of government we have etc i think is good that people discuss, as opposed to zoning out and watching sports or facebook etc., with more than half the people in the US not even bothering with elections. there is too much consolidation of power going on in the US and this can never be a good thing. with direct democracy and engaging average joe to submit ideas and vote on them, and discuss and educate oneself, i hope to avert such centralisation of power which can eventually lead to ww3 and all that. that is my primarily goal.

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Post by other » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:25 pm

I just came from downtown Kelowna a very affluent city and there are people sleeping in the streets as there are in most cities in Canada so I don't know we're you got information

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