Direct Democracy is mob rule

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:43 am

Yea, well i like your site, like I told you many times. I'm just asking the same questions that Socrates asked 3000 years ago. On a practical basis your site is a great idea and would be a lot of fun.
I don't think these questions matter at all regarding the success of your site, anymore than rational questions disrupt religion

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:43 am

if you want some questions: 1) do you think there is too much money in politics, and corruption not serving the best interests of the population because of it? 2) and if so, how do you propose we improve the situation? 3) if the many manage to sway the situation so they are served better, isn't that a form of democracy vote? the system is definitely flawed and i am just seeking ways to do something about and improve

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yes, too much corruption

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:44 am

we need to start with ourselves. every dollar we spend is a vote, don't buy plastics, don't drive, don't throw garbage in the street, take care of our bodies...
if we can't clean up ourselves how can we ask it of others?

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:45 am

i already do that, but no point at just stopping there. all injustices should be dealt with. people are too sedate or just dont care, which is why there is suffering and injustice in the world

something which might interest you: https://youtu.be/2HwFOo5rbZA Been following her for a while now and read the original zeitgeist movement a long time ago. A little bit related to our discussion. Many have brought up this argument of the tyranny of the 51% over the 49, but what about the tyranny of the 1% over the 99, which is basically the present system. The false claim of trickle down economics. i believe we are entering a new social revolution of self-sustainabillity, as we discussed before, but the capitalists will scream the typical red scare anti socialist rhetoric, pointing at communism, which is not real socialism. you once said that all this is necessary, otherwise no one would work. you need poor people to get things done for you. like what? take out your garbage? cut your grass? i think the rich can start to learn how to do this themselves instead of continuing with their ways of creating poverty and essentially a slave society.

Empire Files: Peter Joseph & Abby Martin on Abolishing Capitalism
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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:45 am

Really wide focus here... the abstractions of communism, capitalism, socialism are less helpful now than when they were used to justify stealing your families property. I'm trying to describe the way things are and always have been. You are talking about how things should be in broad unspecific terms. I don't have all the answers, so I'm asking questions, but my questions are just as old as your undefined utopia

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:46 am

it seems defined enough to me. like i said in our previous discussions, with 3d printers, our own currency, internet, permaculture and so forth, i believe we will have a self-sustaining revolution and this old capitalist system will collapse. there will simply not be enough jobs for everyone, because of automation on so many levels. and technology will allow us to become mostly self-sustaining. i believe free enterprise will exist and some can be better off than others, but for five people to have more money than the poorest half of the people on the planet is plain ridiculous and a crime. or like jesse ventura suggested, an income cap of 100 million dollars a year. does one really need to earn a billion dollars a year income? this is obscene. these people become obsessed with power and it is not good for the majority.

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:46 am

of course no one would disagree with you on that and that is why the wealthy do pay higher taxes in general. And by the way I really appreciate your conversations. But for me, predicting that 3d printers, our own currency, internet, permaculture and so forth, although really cool, will save the world is not well defined. I have little faith that the flaws of mankind will be mended through technology. As long as most of the population remains ignorant, tyrants will be able to manipulate the majority.

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:46 am

yea, totally agree that we can improve life on earth. I am still interested in the philosophical discussion of democracy. I do think there are situations where must challenge a majority vote. Do you need examples? I believe Hitler was supported by a majority. And Stalin, Mau, brutal dictators... right?

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:47 am

i already answered this and proposed that it could be resolved by using the three other branches of the government as a power check. such as a discussion could ensue where the educated legislators are given the opportunity to block it but must explain why, in the process educating joe. but i also stressed that my concept should or can be focused on a more local or regional level. people should be allowed to dictate their own lives, not have to all agree on a broad geographical area. like voting in the town hall, except the internet means you dont have to show up but can vote and discuss issues at home, making it easier for more to get involved. will be going to the gym soon. also will get my liver checked today, curious of the results. been drinking roughly 12-18 beers a day for the last three years, but feel healthy enough.

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