Direct Democracy is mob rule

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:17 am

one idea was to still have congress and the senate but a new dd layer, so if lets say 70% say no to war in iraq, the congress and senate has to consider it under a certain legal framework. the best benefit i think is that average joe will start to take interest, stop watching so much football and society becomes more aware of all the shit, discussing with one another etc

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:17 am

It's a great Idea
Of course, the problem with the USA is that we have laws that say the congress must approve war and all kinds of things... problem is that the USA won't follow them, really just plain criminality, a mafia with a gun pointed at your head

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:18 am

like trump said, "things sure look different at the helm". i'm guessing he had a gun pointed at his head pretty soon on

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:18 am

yea, same for Obama
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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:19 am

but obama seems like a wolf in sheep clothing to me, trump perhaps some sincerity, hard to tell

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:19 am

Yea, well, they divvy up the issues so for any one thing you might agree with they do ten things that humiliate your common sense, so we never get what we really want or need. Trump lost me when he came out in favor of Brexit, really showed his ignorance and willingness to mislead people

The whole strategy is to continually exasperate voters with absurdity so we finally give up and just try to make sense of our own lives

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:20 am

that makes sense. wanna try to reverse it. feel like quiote against the windmill.

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:20 am

ha ha, exactly, and life is too short, after all, to spend too much time trying to help the helpless, who, by definition, can't be helped, there's the same old problem of human nature, which is a misnomer. Only wild animals live honestly. We are the beast

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:21 am

heh heh, good one

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Twain....Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions are all based upon that large defect in your race--the individual's distrust of his neighbor, and his desire, for safety's or comfort's sake, to stand well in his neighbor's eye. These institutions will always remain, and always flourish, and always oppress you, affront you, and degrade you, because you will always be and remain slaves of minorities. There was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions.” ― Mark Twain, The Mysterious Stranger

“I know your race. It is made up of sheep. It is governed by minorities, seldom or never by majorities. It suppresses its feelings and its beliefs and follows the handful that makes the most noise.” ― Mark Twain, The Mysterious Stranger

“Still, it is true, lamb," said Satan. "Look at you in war—what mutton you are, and how ridiculous!" "In war? How?" "There has never been a just one, never an honorable one—on the part of the instigator of the war. I can see a million years ahead, and this rule will never change in so many as half a dozen instances. The loud little handful—as usual—will shout for the war. The pulpit will—warily and cautiously—object—at first; the great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, "It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity for it." Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers—as earlier—but do not dare to say so. And now the whole nation—pulpit and all—will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.” ― Mark Twain, The Mysterious Stranger

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