Direct Democracy is mob rule

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Post by madmin » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:25 pm

well maybe things have changed there, because i grew up in canada, for about 25 years, then left around 1991 i think. was in kelowna a bit, otherwise mostly vancouver and toronto. cant even imagine it warm enough to sleep outside there. but don't you think canada is moderately socialist? maybe things have changed.

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Post by other » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:20 pm

Thanks for the site. Hard to find people that think outside the box.
This is a letter I have been sending around trying to get people to
think about a new system of democracy.
March 24 2018

Thanks to technology many parts of our world are changing for the
better. The exception is politics. No change for two hundred years. This
is the equivalent of a horse and buggy going down a busy freeway.
I would like influential people to buy into a very simple idea. Find
ways to promote a political upgrade that will strengthen democracy and
solve the plethora of problems our modern world is facing.
Democratic legitimacy ends after we elect our governments. We then use
imagined realities like parliamentary legitimacy, congressional
legitimacy, or judicial legitimacy. No one knows if there is a
democratic consensus of citizens who agree with the laws governments
produce. This ignorance separates citizens from their governments and
allows all manner of corruption and inefficiencies. Knowledge is power,
ignorance is weakness.
Imagine if you will, an app providing a political account; information
on which politician is using each citizen's POPA (piece of political
authority) on four levels of government municipal, state, federal and
also who is their UN delegate based on the citizens home address. At any
time the citizen can move their POPA to the politician who represents
their interests. This doesn't involve governments in any way, it simply
provides a percentage of consensus or the amount of democratic
legitimacy for each bill passed into law.
This is one of thousands of ideas that could give citizens a sense of
ownership and responsibility in the actual laws our governments produce.
The idea is to change the citizen not the government. As this open
platform matures, like social media, more citizens will join and the
percentage of consensus will become more important. The few noble
citizens (leaders like you) will multiply and in a century most of the
people who have no ownership or responsibility will be gone leaving
noble citizens who have ownerships and responsibility in law. For the
first time in history, on a global scale, by their numbers and
involvement, mothers, aunties, sisters, grandmothers, daughters and the
female side of humanity will have the power to shape law. People will
realize their responsibilities are global, because they can move their
POPA between UN delegates. Last year's Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to
ICAN a group that lobbied UN delegates to pass an international law
banning nuclear weapons. What would happen if one point seven billion
world citizens moved their POPA to delegates that wanted an
international law banning war? The UN will become a powerful world
government controlled by a global population.
Ask yourself, what is missing in the people you see when you walk down a
busy street? What would make these people whole and happy? What would
make them love the place where they live and the people they live with?
Jean Jacques Rousseau would say to be happy they must impose their own
freedom.
In my case this realization has come from six decades of observing the
human condition starting with the nineteen-sixties dream of peace and
love. Realizing the problem lies with the system, not the politicians or
the government is the first step. Mother Jones would be more effective
in an environment of liberty and in a world where the laws governing
citizens are made by citizens.
This is my project.
Cheers Angus www.politicalhappiness.com

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Post by madmin » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:21 pm

yah, read an article once explaining that most people wont know what freedom is until they actually experience it. you can go back to surfdom in old europe, where the workers never owned the land but lived on it and worked it for the landlord, and had to give a percentage of their yield to the owner. but they were free to wake up when they want, once they step out of their house they could go left or right, so generally they felt free. until there was some revolution and then their understanding of freedom increased. it is a bit appaling for me that once i started advertising my idea on facebook i started to get a lot of heat from people who would blankly say "we are not a democracy we are a republic". you can point out many wrongs in the current system and that their previous statement would be similar to, "leave me alone, i got my mcdonald's hamburger in my mouth and i am happy mulching away like cattle." did you check out the discussion at https://www.facebook.com/arealdemocracy/ ? it amazes me how ignorant some can be and how they are almost quite willing to almost fight for their comfort in slavery. or did you check out my concept of direct democracy and the corresponding website i made? i will add your note below to that once i gather more material, trying to kickstart a discussion there. i think discussion alone is important because many people are ignorant because of the lack of it

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:06 am

Martin - We certainly have not got democracy in this country until we return to proportional representation !!!!

Mike - Proportional representation? Ever hear of the House? How about the electoral college? Both solely based on proportion.

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:07 am

proportional representation in the electoral college? huh?? ever heard of super delegates in the dnc?

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Post by madmin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:12 am

many US dudes let themselves get brainwashed into thinking their country is perfect and the best etc. So the corporations easily get the mainstream media to hype up a bs red scare against russia etc just to have ultra capitalism, which is a form of fascism. the media and general mentality is very much against anything resembling socialism, as if it equates with communism. pure ignorance.

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:14 am

Following discussion thread is with a friend of mine Charles:

yea, best investment from cost/benefit point of view.
Bannon is talking about Economic Nationalism which sounds a lot like National Socialism... but it's just a new word for Protectionism... and shows the hypocrisy of the west who's main frustration is that Russia and Iran have most of the world's fossil fuels...

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:14 am

i recently quoted to a cz friend i was visiting in la that i considered elon musk and putin my present day heroes. what you think? love how putin makes fools of any paid troll trying to smear him

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:15 am

This is a great read, would like to get your thoughts... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_five_regimes

Plato's five regimes - Wikipedia
The Classical Greek philosopher Plato discusses five types of regimes (Republic, Book VIII). They are Aristocracy, Timocracy, Oligarchy, Democracy, and Tyranny. Plato also assigns a man to each of these regimes to illustrate what they stand for. The tyrannical man would represent Tyranny, for exampl...

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Post by other » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:16 am

would like to discuss your idea of direct democracy a bit more in light of it's historical Athenian context

Well, one of the early Socratic issues was what do we do when the majority is wrong, and it is almost always wrong, because very few people have enough knowledge, character, or wisdom to know what to do. So democracy is always open to those with media/political power, and in reality, opinion is controlled by a small group of conclusionists who use propaganda to control peoples sentiments...

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